2nd Theoretical Virtual Observatory workshop OV-France
VO-France TWG
From IAP (April 2006) to Lyon (June 2007) • • • •
Presentation of VO-France at ASSNA meeting (December 2003) First WG meeting just after the founding VO-France workshop (4-6 April 2005) Parallel session during Obernai winter school (5-7 November 2005) Joined ASSNA-ASOV workshop dedicated to TVO (5-6 April 2006) – goals: • Need to explain what is [not] Virtual Observatory • Need to understand numerical simulations/codes specificity • Need to see how a VO-compliant theoretical service could run and help to make science • Make an effort to adapt each others to different languages!
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From IAP (April 2006) to Lyon (June 2007) •
What’s new ? – Several important meetings and documents: • Victoria INTEROP (May 2006) – Start several documents (semantics, SNAP) and ‘task forces’ (telecons)
• Garching SNAP meeting (April 2007) – SNAP – DM
• Beijing INTEROP (see Gerard’s talk) – Proposed to recommendation: Characterization DM, SSA (Theory?)
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From IAP (April 2006) to Lyon (June 2007) •
Goals of this meeting: – Examples of TVO services (published or under development) – Comparisons of experiments, problems – Discussions on • Data models • SNAP protocol • Other problems with models, protocols, standards, etc.
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Plenty of time for presentation + discussions Some topics that need in-depth discussion will go on Tuesday A few already identified: – Data Models: characterization vs theory DM – Theoretical spectra
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(flexible-) Agenda Monday 18th • 10h00: VO-France/Theory in the VO: where are we? where we're going to? (HW) • 10h30: Euro-VO DCA (HW) – –
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11h00: Last IVOA TIG news (GL) – – –
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14h00 : Horizon Cosmo (JPL) 15h00 : Horizon GalMer (IG) 15h45 : Besancon model (BD)
16h15 : coffee break – – –
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11h30 : Millenium (GL)
13h00: Breakfast (ENS-L restaurant) 14h00: Examples and demos of test implementation of services (con't) – – –
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Simulation data model Access protocol Beijing INTEROP
11h30: Examples and demos of test implementation of services –
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WP4 and Theory Expert Group Impact on OV-France
16h30 : PDR service (FLP) 17h15 : DALIA data model (ML) 18h00 : POLLUX (HW for Ana Palacios, GRAAL Montpellier)
18h30 : discussions
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How to reach the restaurant
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20h00 Restaurant: Les Adrets, 30 rue du Bœuf Pedestrianized street From ENS: – – – –
metro line B direction Charpennes Stop at ‘Saxe-Gambetta’ Change for line D, direction ‘Gare de Vaise’ Stop at ‘Vieux-Lyon Cathédrale SaintJean’
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(flexible-) Agenda Tuesday, 19th (room B1, 4th floor, Math Department) • 9h00: – Specific discussions on: • Data models: characterization, theory, etc. • SNAP implementation: who, when • Theoretical spectra: – what is missing in SSAP? – Do we need to promote TSAP? – wait for SNAP 2.0?
– French TVO roadmap
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Information: Web of Theory Working Group • •
http://www.france-ov.org/twiki/bin/view/GROUPEStravail/ObsVTheorie Need an update of ‘on-going projects’ section – Necessary for a number of census (EURO-VO DCA, OV-France, etc.) – Visibility of this activity for CNAP, CNRS/INSU etc. – Need to include ‘theoretical spectra’ services ? (eg POLLUX)
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Information: Scientific council • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • •
Francoise Genova (CDS, Présidente) Philippe Berio (OCA/Gemini, GDR G2) Sylviane Chaintreuil (LESIA) Jean-Louis Counil (CNES) André Csillaghy (Département d'Informatique Haute-Ecole Spécialisée (HES) de la Suisse du Nord-Ouest) Jacques Delabrouille (PCC- Collège de France, Programme Astroparticules) Didier Despois (Observatoire de Bordeaux, GDR Exobiologie) Sylvain Doute (LPG, PNP) Marie-Lise Dubernet (LERMA, PCMI) Gilles Duvert (LAOG, ASHRA, GDR JMMC) Christian Jacquey (CESR, PNST) Jean-Paul Kneib (OAMP, PNC) Philippe Prugniel (CRAL, PNG) Evelyne Roueff (LUTH, Observatoire de Paris, PNPS) Hélène Sol (LUTH, Observatoire de Paris, PCHE) Pierre Valiron (LAOG) Hervé Wozniak (CRAL, ASSNA)
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Information: new VO-France WG • • •
Spectroscopy. Contact Philippe Prugniel (merged with images?) Theory. Contact Hervé Wozniak Workflow. Contact André Schaaff, Christian Surace, Eric Slezak, Franck Le Petit, Philippe Prugniel
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GRID. Geodesy. Images. Planetology.
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Contact André Schaaff, Hervé Wozniak Pierre Valiron Contact Florent Deleflie Contact Eric Slezak (multi-D images) Contact Alain Sarkissian
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Euro-VO Data Center Alliance
Euro-VO DCA • • •
Funded by the European Community (FP6), starting in September 2006 for a duration of 28 months (►end 2008) Alliance of Data Centre communities represented at a national level. DCA will: – – – –
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coordinate and assist European Data Centres to take up VO standards share best practice for data providers, consolidate operational requirements for VO-enabled tools and systems Enable the identification and promotion of scientific requirements from programs of strategic national interest that require VO technologies and services.
http://cds.u-strasbg.fr/twikiDCA/bin/view/EuroVODCA/WebHome Organization: – – – – –
Board (project coordinator: Françoise Genova) PCT: Project Coordination Team (Project manager: Mathias Depretz) IST: Internal Science Team members (chair: Mark Allen) TEG: Theoretical astrophysics Expert Group members (chair: Gerard Lemson) A number of Work Packages
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Euro-VO DCA •
Theory: – Theoretical astronomy Expert Group (TEG) • • • • • • •
Pedro OSUNA (ESA) Santi CASSISI (INAF) Miguel CERVIÑO (INTA) Gerard LEMSON (MPG, chair) Joop SCHAYE (NOVA) Nic WALTON (LU) Hervé WOZNIAK (CNRS)
– WorkPackage 4 dedicated to theory (led by G. Lemson) • aims at assessing the inclusion of theory data and services in the Virtual Observatory. • tackled by the TEG, which has yearly meetings and email discussions to establish a framework for the inclusion of Theoretical Astronomy Services in the VObs. • The TEG organizes a Workshop
– Strong links with WP5 (VO ↔ GRID) 18-19 june 2007
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Euro-VO DCA •
“Theory” census: – theory specific questionnaire. the TEG questionnaire is not only directed at theory data centers, but is meant to gather feedback from astronomers (theorists *and* observers) in general on what they expect from a "theory VO". – send out questionnaire (end of June) – deadline end of September – TEG face2face meeting beginning October to interpret results and come up with proposals – write first draft of whitepaper, beginning of Dec 2007 to be discussed in ...
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Theory workshop – with WP5-Grid in "month 17“ (January 2008)
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Euro-VO DCA •
White paper (outline): 1. Review work on "theory in the VObs" so far: • • • •
whitepaper Lemson & Colberg IVOA Theory interest group (TIG) existing census results/inventory examples of concrete services, data sets published online, and VO-like
2. Gathering requirements • • • •
How: theory specific questionnaire as contribution to Euro-VO DCA census (extend to IVOA TIG) + existing census results (if available) Describe results of questionnaire extract requirements from result discuss what (if) is being done to address these
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IVOA Euro-VO – – –
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VOTECH DCA FC
individual data centers
4. Gather feedback on expectations of feasibility for these proposals and what resources are required • •
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roadmap cost estimates
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Euro-VO DCA •
Impact on VO-France (theory only) – Funding of 1 year of engineer to help SNAP+DM implementation on 3 “projects”: – HORIZON DBs – Besançon model – VO-Paris (PDR, Titan, Dense cores DB etc.)
• Interviews on last Thursday • Start on September?
– Update of theory census at French level (including all aspects of theory)
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